CTV:
One day after a lead detective vented his frustration over what he deems lack of cooperation from witnesses in the city's latest homicide, friction continues between members of Edmonton's Somali community and officers trying to solve the case.Bill Clark met with media on Sunday, arguing people inside the Papyrus Restaurant and Lounge saw who pulled the trigger in the early hours of New Year's Day, killing a 23-year-old man identified by friends as Muhammad Mahood Jama, and injuring another.
"We know the individual in hospital knows who shot him, he won't talk. We know there are other people inside who saw the suspect," he said. "Of all the people we interviewed, one person provides a suspect description - absolutely ludicrous."
Clark's anger stems in part from what he sees as a lack of trust between local Somalis and police after a substantial amount of resources were invested to improve the relationship. In the wake of dozens homicides that claimed young men from the community in the past several years, the city responded with several town hall meetings, sports tournaments, an African Centre and other efforts to elicit change. Edmonton also created 18 organizations to help facilitate integration.
"So when we hear people in the Somali community and these ethnic communities complaining about city administration it frustrates us," said Clark on Sunday.
But Ilham Ahmed, a board member of the Somalia Community Centre, argues police are wrong to pin all the responsibility on the community.
"Why do we have to look for our own criminals?" she asked. "What I see is negligence from the police community because when you are trained to investigate a murder you are not supposed to be make special - a criminal is a criminal. He doesn't have a face, he doesn't have a race."
City councillor Amarjeet Sohi is calling on witnesses to come forward in the New Year's day homicide, but also argues it's important to find out why there is resistance.
"If there is a demand from the community that these homicides, these murders, need to be solved, then people need to cooperate," he said. "On the other hand we need to figure out why people are not cooperating, why people feel scared. Is there not enough support from police? I think there is but people need to be made aware."
The province's immigration minister agrees with that sentiment, arguing members of the Somali community need to utilize supports already in existence.
"The resources are in place, all they have to do is reach out and use them," said Thomas Lukasik. "If there is an integration problem then we will focus on it. I think we are doing what we can. There has to be some impetus from the Somali community, willingness to want to integrate. I'm not sensing that there isn't."
Still, Ahmed argues there is a sense of isolation in the Somali community, and a sense of disconnect between her culture and the city at large. She says she struggles to feel at home, even 20 years after immigrating to the country.
"Nothing has been done for this community. We are left on our own," she said.
I can understand how much she misses the swift certainty of Somali justice, which boasts an incredible 100% clearance rate (Though, to be fair, so do approximately 90% of other African police forces. I can state this with some certainty, having lived in Africa two years more than most of my African-Canadian brothers.) when it comes to cases like this. Witness:
a) Police arrive on scene, determine that victim is a member of unpopular tribe/sect/clan;
b) Case closed!
or:
a) Police arrive on scene, determine that victim is a member of popular tribe/sect/clan;
b) Police round up members of unpopular tribe/sect/clan. Several of these will unfortuately expire during "questioning," too bad, so sad. Go out and get some replacements. Continue vigorous "investigations" until "confession." Kill unpopular tribe/sect/clan (or send to prison -- same result);
c) Case closed!
And that's the way we roll in (insert African nation here). [takes off, puts on sunglasses as closing music swells.]
[exeunt omnes]
Comments (5)
Hey Somali's, sink or swim.
Don't look to the government to solve your problems.
And nobody gives a damn about your culture.
Your culture is that of a failed state.
You should have left it at the door when you checked in.
Posted by dance...dance to the radio | January 5, 2011 8:30 PM
Posted on January 5, 2011 20:30
This community is so dysfunctional not even 18 support groups can keep them from killing each other. They want us to accept their "culture" when all it seems their "culture" does is kill their young men. Sorry, but I prefer my young men to be home doing their school work.
We have a fairly large contingent of African immigrants from Zimbabwe in our area, and they are great people who care about what their kids are doing. Our crime levels are really low and our kids all go to the same schools without any problem.
I wonder who is creating the problems in the Somali community?
Posted by Hunter | January 5, 2011 8:57 PM
Posted on January 5, 2011 20:57
Closing the border to Muslim immigration would be a good start and forced deportation of immigrant criminals, along with their families would be a good thing too.
These people (Somalis in question) are not a credit to the human race either in their own country of origin, and they certainly are self evidently culls while here.
Posted by Pat | January 5, 2011 11:51 PM
Posted on January 5, 2011 23:51
As ever, the problem arises because the PC brigade demand that everyone else 'accommodate' immigrant minority cultures instead of saying to them 'live here, this is the culture - integrate.' Having lived in Africa for forty years I can agree with gnotalex in his summation of the African Police methodology. Something of the same sort is now, obviously, operating within the Somali Community, with a 'Godfather' having built a little empire to keep all the others in line.
If you really get to the bottom line in this one you'll find there is a blood feud being waged here for control and it will run deep in tribal and clan loyalties. Welcome to MultiCulty! At least the German Government has had the balls (Ironic that, given the Chancellor is a Lady ...) to declare publicly and with increasing frequency "MultiKulti ist Tot!"
The message is a simple one, integrate or leave. You want to live in Europe, leave the African/Asian/Wherever/Whatever baggage at the gate.
Posted by The Gray Monk | January 6, 2011 1:09 AM
Posted on January 6, 2011 01:09
and immigration from these third world islamic countries helps canada how?
Posted by old white guy | January 6, 2011 5:51 AM
Posted on January 6, 2011 05:51